…man spites dog [DOT 19/6/22]

a triumph of false equivalence...

…I know it’s not a new thing…but that it remains a thing is disturbing to me…so apologies if this seems like the last thing you want to think about on a sunday…but

Unrepentant, he continued to push his “big lie” of a stolen election and likened Pence to a “robot” and “human conveyor belt” for accepting the advice of those who said he did not have the authority to reject state electors and therefore keep Trump in the Oval Office.

Trump described the hearings as an “insurrection hoax” reminiscent of the investigations into his election campaign ties with Russia but said it was ultimately “peanuts” by comparison.

[…] “They’re con people. They’re con artists. Every one of them is a radical left hater, hates all of you, hates me even more than you, but I’m just trying to help you out.

“The ‘unselects’ have shredded every standard of decency, fairness, precedent, tradition, separation of powers, executive privilege and due process. Nobody’s ever done this before. They are knowingly spinning a fake and phony narrative and in a chilling attempt to weaponise the justice system against their political opponents.”

…&…yes…it’s in line with the accuse-others-of-that-of-which-you-are-guilty tactic that’s long been a go-to element of his whole shtick…but every so often it hits me how entirely batshit it is that there are so many people prepared to treat this stuff as though it’s true…not to mention the parts that straightforwardly seem like bald announcements of things I could have sworn were illegal

Trump said that he would “very, very seriously” consider pardons for those involved in the riot if he became president again. “What happened on January 6th was a simple protest that got out of hand,” he said.
[…sadly…there’s going to be more of this]

…ok…most of the stuff I remember about this was put together back when he was handing them out like party favors…or not…to a lot of guilty people…many of whom paid handsomely for the privilege…all of which seems like it ought to have been illegal…but to try to stick to the present

Because a pardon dangle is secret and seeks to discourage cooperation with an ongoing investigation […] it should be analyzed differently than a pardon when it comes to an obstruction case. Because of the way a pardon dangle operates, it should acquire none of the deference that might be afforded an actual pardon, and if the dangle is found to be orchestrated with a corrupt motive, it should qualify as a potential act of obstruction of justice.
https://www.justsecurity.org/54356/dangling-pardon-obstruction-justice-even-pardon-power-absolute/

…so…throwing out the suggestion of pardons for “loyal” people testifying to a committee that’s presenting a devastating case that this malignant morass of maniacally moronic moral & mental mendacity is guilty of some of the greatest offenses to have been committed against the democracy of the US…that’s surely near enough to a public confession of witness tampering that it ought to be on some list of shit that’s against some sort of law…which…yes, also seemed pretty clearly the case when it involved the likes of stone & manafort…& may yet turn out to be one of the things the committee is keen to put on further display…but it’s the not-even-trying-to-hide-this-shit side of things that I’m somehow still able to be shocked by?

He claimed that “no one was killed” except the Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt, who was fatally shot while attempting to climb through a broken window inside the Capitol. In fact, a bipartisan Senate report connected seven deaths to the insurrection.

…it’s a lie…a lie that is trivially easy to prove is a lie…& yet such is the willingness to pick their side crowds of people are eager to swallow it

Trump summed up: “Let’s be clear, this is not a congressional investigation, this horrible situation that’s wasting everyone’s time. This is a theatrical production of partisan political fiction that’s getting these terrible, terrible ratings, and they’re going crazy.”

…I’m not sure I could come up with a better description of his whole dog & pony show than “a theatrical production of partisan political fiction”…& it seems like all these people sucking it up can’t be going crazy on account of have been crazy for years at this point

It [was] hard to find anyone at the Faith & Freedom event who is being swayed by the January 6 committee. Asked if she watched Thursday’s hearing, Susanne Thoen, 67, a retired human resources director from Nashville, said: “The farce? Excuse me? You mean the leftist agenda? No. There was no insurrection. I’m not going to waste my time watching the mainstream media.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/17/donald-trump-january-6-hearings-witch-hunt

…what on earth would possess me to be reading that kind of crap, you might ask…when there’s literally any number of things you could read that might include something you didn’t already know…& the truth is mostly because I ran across something else that made me ask myself…what is the most absurd false equivalence these people have run up their maga flagpole to salute?

Seven staff members from The Late Show with Stephen Colbert were arrested for allegedly trespassing in a Capitol Hill building on Thursday night, authorities have said. All seven were each charged with unlawful entry.

The employees, including Robert Smigel, the voice behind Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, were found by US Capitol police (USCP) officers inside the Longworth House Office Building, which houses offices for members of the House of Representatives.

…& ok…it would appear to be true that technically

“The building was closed to visitors, and these individuals were determined to be a part of a group that had been directed by the USCP to leave the building earlier in the day,” Capitol police said in a statement.

…but we’re talking about a small group of people engaging at something between journalism & satire who didn’t prevent any part of congress from doing any of the things it might have aimed to that day…not a mob of hundreds of people interspersed with a core of hundreds of extremist militia members eager to enact detailed plans for a seditious conspiracy they’d spent months conspiring over

CBS told the New York Post that the production team was at the Capitol on Wednesday and Thursday to record interviews with House members for a segment of Colbert’s comic dog sketch. Democrats Adam Schiff, Stephanie Murphy and Jake Auchincloss had reportedly been interviewed by the cigar-chomping puppet.

…so…I mean…they couldn’t possibly…oh, no…wait…the fuck was I thinking…of fucking course they fucking have

The arrests were politically re-contextualized on social media: “What did the J6 committee know and when did they know it about the Colbert insurrection at the Capitol?” posted Mollie Hemmingway, editor the Federalist.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/jun/18/stephen-colbert-staff-members-arrested-capitol-hill-robert-smigel

…they’ve equated a tv crew accompanying a puppet

…with a fucking insurrection

…so…that’s had me kind of considering something…because yes, I am aware that the thing this process is often compared to would be watergate…where the break-in was in ’71…on the 9th sept even…which your MAGA crowd you’d think would probably proclaim evidence of some outlandish conspiracy or other…becuase…I dunno…on the third day it was 9/11 or some shit…& some swift wheels of justice might have convicted the likes of liddy before the end of the following january…but the “I’m not a crook” part didn’t happen until november…& the resigning part was august of ’74…that’s about a month shy of taking three full years to get from the fucking around part to the finding out…so…I’m prepared for the possibility that it’s very possibly going to be a year or more before the proverbial fat lady sings on this kind of score…but…with watergate there were only a few scant weeks between the supreme court ruling against the claims to executive privilege & the no-longer-president part…& that part’s been ruled on how many times since I-barely-remember-it-was-so-long-ago-now?

…& even the part where the other obvious exponent of the same playbook is pulling shit like this

“The previous world order is finished — irrespective of all the efforts to preserve it, it’s a natural way of history,” he told the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, an annual business meeting launched in 1997 as a Russian alternative to the World Economic Forum gathering in Davos, Switzerland.

A situation with “One strong power with a limited circle of countries [in support]” was “not stable,” he said, adding that it was a mistake for the U.S. to have claimed victory in the Cold War and to have treated other countries “like colonies.”

Putin said the war in Ukraine, which he maintains was launched to protect Russian-speaking people in the country’s east, was “the decision of a sovereign country based on the right to defend its security.”

“All the objectives of the special military operation will be implemented, there’s no doubt about it,” he added.
[…]
Costs were rising in the West “long before we launched the special military operation in the Donbas,” he added, scoffing at the idea of a “Putin price rise” and sticking to his own narrow definition of the war that has now brought nearly four months of death and destruction to Russia’s democratic neighbor.

As he spoke, Russian forces were pressing their attacks on cities in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, an offensive that has seen Moscow’s troops make painstaking gains behind a heavy artillery assault. But even with the battlefield advances, the Kremlin was dealt another diplomatic setback on Friday as the European Union’s executive recommended putting Kyiv on a path to membership of the bloc.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-economy-speech-ukraine-west-collapsing-russia-sanctions-rcna34062

…still doesn’t seem to find purchase as it bounces off the smooth-brained sycophant chorus line

It wasn’t the noose hanging outside the Capitol that upset them, the chants of “hang Mike Pence” or the testimony of the president’s former attorney general.

Instead, it was “Washington politicians” and “the media establishment,” several voters interviewed said, who they saw as trying to stack the deck against the former president.
[…]
Among this sampling of Republicans, including in Washoe, the swingiest county in one of the nation’s swingiest states, it has hardened partisan views, spawned more conspiracies or deepened fealty toward Trump.
[…]
The committee’s members have acknowledged they’re unlikely to move many Trump loyalists, and instead have set lower goals, like trying to convince enough moderates to sign on to overhauling the Electoral Count Act to remove loopholes. Their loftier goals — like convincing the Department of Justice to indict Trump — don’t require voter support.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/impeachment-no-3-jan-6-panel-isnt-swaying-swing-state-republicans

…& this is the part I’m currently perplexed by…because for my sins I do in fact still find that on balance I don’t believe this all comes to an end without it including some actual criminal charges & a smattering of guilty verdicts

…so there’s this one thing about how that’s going that doesn’t make sense to me…well, obviously there’s a ton of those…but this one in particular is giving me trouble

Tensions are rising between the Justice Department and the House panel probing the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, with prosecutors complaining their lack of access to committee interview transcripts may jeopardize the September trial of five alleged extremists charged with seditious conspiracy.
[…]
The letter is the strongest salvo yet in the months-long back-and-forth between the committee and the department, whose parallel investigations have generally tried to steer clear of each other but now seem to be on a collision course.

On paper, the two high-profile investigations have separate and distinct goals. Prosecutors have charged more than 820 people with crimes stemming from the attack, and are pursuing criminal cases against hundreds of others. Lawmakers, meanwhile, are engaged in public fact-finding about the full scope and nature of the attack, including the actions of President Donald Trump and other public officials — and may make policy recommendations based on their findings.
[…]
The committee’s chairman, Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), said after Thursday’s hearing that lawmakers on the panel “are not going to stop what we are doing to share the information that we’ve gotten so far with the Department of Justice. We have to do our work.”

“We will eventually cooperate with them,” he added.

…but…not right now…what’s up with that?

At times, committee members have publicly questioned whether the Justice Department is being aggressive enough in pursuing criminal cases against high-profile political figures. Some lawmakers also have made clear they think Trump and others broke the law in their efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. The Justice Department, in turn, since April has sought transcripts of more than 1,000 committee interviews to determine whether there is evidence relevant to the cases they have already charged or might charge in the future.
[…]
Randall Eliason, a former federal prosecutor, said he was surprised the committee hasn’t sent the transcripts to the Justice Department, because the information would presumably remain private even if shared with prosecutors.

“I can’t think of any good excuse from the committee’s perspective. … You would think the committee would want to be as cooperative as possible,” said Eliason, now a professor at George Washington University Law School. Prosecutors could also force the committee’s hand by issuing a grand jury subpoena, he said. “I’m sure they would prefer to proceed cooperatively, but if push comes to shove, [the Justice Department] can get those transcripts.”
[…]
The criticism by prosecutors of the committee came during preparations for an expected September trial of five leaders of the Proud Boys extremist group charged with seditious conspiracy and accused of helping launch the attack on the Capitol. The Justice Department letter was included in court papers as part of a prosecutor’s notice to the judge that they agree with some defendants’ request to delay their trial because of lack of access to committee transcripts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/16/january-6-transcripts-justice-house/

…& I can get the part where it seems like handing over everything would be letting some bad faith actors abuse the discovery process to pass privileged information to…let’s call them interested parties…but I don’t know if that quite explains this…what with there surely being some way of providing DoJ access to the necessary stuff without declaring open season

In a hearing during the day on June 9, the Proud Boys’ attorneys accused DOJ of improperly coordinating with the January 6 Committee and improperly mixing politics and criminal justice by charging sedition just before the hearings start. In the hearing there was an extensive and repeated discussion of the deposition transcripts from the committee investigation. AUSA Jason McCullough described that there had been significant engagement on depositions, but that the January 6 Committee wouldn’t share them. As far as he knew, the Committee said they would release them in September, which would be in the middle of the trial. Joe Biggs’ attorney insisted that DOJ had the transcripts, and that they had to get them to defendants.
[…]
Hours later, during the first […] January 6 Committee hearing, the Committee included a clip from Bertino describing how membership in the Proud Boys had tripled in response to Trump’s “Stand Back and Stand By” comment.

His cooperation with the Committee was not public knowledge. I have no idea whether it was a surprise to DOJ, but if it was, it presented the possibility that, in the guise of cooperating, Bertino had just endangered the Proud Boy sedition prosecution (which wouldn’t be the first time that “cooperative” Proud Boys proved, instead, to be fabricators). At the very least, it meant his deposition raised the stakes on his transcript considerably, because DOJ chose not to charge him in that sedition conspiracy.
[…]
The discovery deadline for the Proud Boy case is tomorrow [that would have made it this last friday or june 17th]. If DOJ put Bertino before a grand jury and he said something that conflicts with what he told the Committee, it could doom his reliability as a witness, and with it the Proud Boys case, and with it, potentially, the conspiracy case against Trump.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/06/16/why-january-6-committee-transcripts-are-urgent-proud-boy-jeremy-bertino/

…it’s that last part that’s giving me real trouble, I guess…because I don’t get what part of anything would make the committee not want to do everything in its power to ensure that the DoJ has literally everything it could ask for that might help it successfully charge & convict the unpresidented unsub & it seems like this is a thing they could have done that would have let the DoJ do more of the stuff the committee has tended to suggest it ought to be doing more of…not to mention that if some of these militia fuckwits have been giving mismatched testimony to different federal authorities in a deliberate effort to “game” the judicial system that seems like shit both the DoJ & the committee would want to be on top of?

We’re now learning that Trump and his co-conspirators corruptly pressured many government actors to steal an election he knew he lost. That he knew the scheme was illegal. That he weaponized a mob to chase his vice president through the Capitol, resulting in horrifying political violence, destruction and death.

It’s easy to get seduced by the vivid, damning nature of these revelations. Now that they’re exploding in our faces, surely some sort of accountability awaits the coup plotters. Surely Republican elites will quietly reckon with the truth about Jan. 6 and renounce Trump as fundamentally unacceptable in a party leader, even if they don’t say so loudly.
[…]
Maybe. But in the background, scores and scores of GOP candidates across the country remain fully committed to the notion that the underlying mission of the coup plotters and Jan. 6 rioters was just. The revelations haven’t slowed their campaigns in the slightest.
[…]
How many GOP leaders are calling on those candidates to renounce this permanent posture holding that future election losses will be subject to nullification? How many GOP leaders are condemning what we’re learning about Trump’s coup attempt?

It is precisely this fact, that few GOP leaders see a need to reorient the party away from these tendencies, that alarms experts in democratic breakdown.[…]

I contacted Luttig to ask: How important is it for GOP elites to renounce the pro-coup candidates in their midst, and flatly declare the new Trump revelations disqualifying in a party leader and 2024 nominee?

If they don’t, Luttig told me, he agrees America may be headed for a period of “protracted democratic instability.”
[…]
But one thing seems unavoidable: If GOP leaders were to treat these revelations with the urgency and seriousness they deserve, it would probably render the darker alternative a lot less likely.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/17/trump-revelations-jan-6-hearings-violent-future/

…all I know is that this level of denial seems like the sort of thing that might constitute a clinically significant sort of symptom

…but it’s the stuff they aren’t even denying that I can’t believe isn’t moving that needle

On Thursday, the Jan. 6 committee put some meat on the bones. It disclosed an email that showed that none other than the Trump lawyer who led the plot, John Eastman, sought to be put on what he called “the pardon list” shortly after Jan. 6.

Among the many significant disclosures in the committee’s hearing Thursday, it was surely one of the biggest. The email may not have been a smoking gun in itself, but it billowed yet more smoke over the scandal. And in combination with other recent disclosures, it lends significantly more weigh to the idea that the effort to overturn the election was indeed criminal.

The way Eastman made the request also was crucial: He didn’t just say he was seeking a pardon; he indicated in the email to fellow Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani that there was a known “pardon list” circulating. That suggests that the plotters weighed the possible need for pardons in some considerable measure — that those who led the effort to overturn the election believed they might have enough legal liability that they floated the extraordinary step of obtaining rare, preemptive presidential pardons.
[…]
At Thursday’s hearing, Greg Jacob, who was general counsel to Vice President Mike Pence, added to the evidence that Eastman knew what he was doing was illegal. He said Eastman conceded to him that his plot to overturn the election would have lost 9-0 at the Supreme Court, on the merits. But he said Eastman believed the court might punt on the merits and stay out of the dispute altogether.

Separately, Eastman’s own memo acknowledged that he was urging Pence to disregard the Electoral Count Act. Eastman did so because he viewed the law as unconstitutional — even though courts had not declared it as such.

And even shortly after the Capitol riot, as he continued to push for Pence to help overturn the results, Eastman told Jacob that he wanted Pence to consider committing a “relatively minor violation” of the Electoral Count Act. (In Eastman’s mind, this was okay because he believed the act had already been violated: In the aftermath of the Capitol riot, a debate over objections to election results had taken longer than the two hours allotted to Congress.)

But you can’t ignore all the evidence that he seemed well aware that his plan violated the law. That’s by his own admission.

We still don’t know how extensive the pardon deliberations were. But what we do know — based on early reporting and on the evidence Thursday — is that people were pretty scared that what they had done could come back to bite them. What’s more, the Eastman email seems to be on top of other evidence to which the committee previously alluded, other evidence from “former White House personnel.” So there’s surely more to come.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/17/john-eastman-pardon-list/

…preferably before any relevant filing deadlines, at that…because I can’t stress enough how much I need some facts to count at some point?

Immediately after the Jan. 6 attack, hundreds of corporations announced freezes on donating money to Republican lawmakers who had voted against certifying Joe Biden’s victory. “Given recent events and the horrific attack on the U.S. Capitol, we are assessing our future PAC criteria,” a spokesperson for Toyota said a week after the attack.
[…]
“By April 1, 2021, Toyota had donated $62,000 to 39 Republican objectors,” the journalist Judd Legum wrote in his newsletter, Popular Information. That included a donation of $1,000 that Toyota gave to Representative Andy Biggs, a Republican from Arizona who is a close ally of Donald Trump and a fervent devotee of the “big lie.”
[…]
In the year and a half since the attack, rivers of cash from once skittish donors have resumed flowing to election deniers. Sometimes tens of thousands of dollars. Sometimes just a thousand. But it adds up. In the month of April alone, the last month for which data is available, Fortune 500 companies and trade organizations gave more than $1.4 million to members of Congress who voted not to certify the election results, according to an analysis by the transparency group Accountable.US. AT&T led the pack, giving $95,000 to election objectors.
[…]
This isn’t a hypothetical threat. On Tuesday, New Mexico’s secretary of state was forced to ask the State Supreme Court to compel a Republican-led county election commission to certify primary election results. The commission had refused to do so, citing its distrust of its own voting machines.
[…]
We tend to think of the past and future threat to elections as coming from voters for Donald Trump and those whom they’d elect to office. But the success of these politicians also depends on money. And a lot of money from corporations like Boeing, Koch Industries, Home Depot, FedEx, UPS and General Dynamics has gone to politicians who reject the 2020 election results based on lies told by the former president, according to a tally kept by the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, known as CREW.

All told, as of this week, corporations and industry groups gave almost $32 million to the House and Senate members who voted to overturn the election and to the G.O.P. committees focused on the party’s congressional campaigns. The top 10 companies that gave money to those members, according to CREW’s analysis of campaign finance disclosures, are Koch Industries, Boeing, Home Depot, Valero Energy, Lockheed Martin, UPS, Raytheon, Marathon Petroleum, General Motors and FedEx. All of those companies, with the exception of Koch Industries and FedEx, once said they’d refrain from donating to politicians who voted to reject the election results.

Of the 249 companies that promised not to fund the 147 senators and representatives who voted against any of the results, fewer than half have stuck to their promise, according to CREW.
[…]
Money in politics is the way of the world, especially in this country. But as the Jan. 6 committee’s investigation has made clear, Mr. Trump’s attempted coup was orders of magnitude different from the normal rough-and-tumble of politics. Returning to the status quo where corporate money flowed to nearly every politician elected to office isn’t just unseemly; it is helping to fund a continuing attack on our democracy.

Many Americans say they’ve moved on from the attack on Jan. 6. For those who haven’t, a good place to focus their attention is on the continuing threat to the Republic posed by politicians who are actively undermining it, and the money that helps them do so.
Who Is Financing Trump’s ‘Big Lie’ Caucus? Corporations You Know. [NYT]

…anyway…the fact is I’ve gone on more than enough for one day…& probably could have found better &/or more interesting stuff to have filled this with today…so I’ll go away & think about what I’ve done…& whether I can come by some sort of musical penance…while I hope you all manage to enjoy your day of rest

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      • I don’t see it as misery wanting company as much as you wanting us to be informed. And having a like minded community to mull it over with. Pretending everything is fine is partly how we got here in the first place. You’re doing us a service.

  1. Pence is not a brave man. HE DID THE BARE MINIMUM HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO. The fucking idiot “centrists” and “bothsiders” in the media are trying to make this weak fool a hero.

    That is not bravery not above and beyond, that is a mere 2.5/5.0 employee rating.

    • …it certainly seems like the response from the VP & his staff was broadly along the lines of “if there were any way we could plausibly get away with helping you out, we would but this isn’t that – & believe you me we’ve checked”

      …but to give him/them their due…it’s not nothing anytime a member of the republican party actually does the thing someone holding their office ought reasonably to be expected to…particularly in light of the kind of personal reprisals that the MAGA faithful are prone to

      …I’m inclined to agree that unreserved praise for pence is at best misplaced…& at worst serves to dilute the culpability of the rest of the republican apparatus that continues to this day to do all it can to keep the same stew of incipient violence simmering at the front & centre of every facet of its campaign efforts

      …but some praise is merited, I’d have thought…rewarding good behavior works with dogs, after all…& plenty of those give every indication of being smarter than your average republican?

  2. As much as certain groups of Americans make light of the French, the French know how to deal with coup plotters.

    They dealt within their own ranks the OAS (made infamous by the novel/movie Day of the Jackal.)

    • …I know it’s also kind of fashionable in some circles to being guillotines into it when it comes to learning from the french

      …but while I can’t deny there’s a sort of malthusian appeal to the thought of being able to cull humanity down to a scale the environment might find easier to stomach…& a fair bit of circumstantial evidence to support the possibility you could identify more than enough people who are candidates for the doing-more-harm-than-good column…ultimately that’s the stuff of bond villains…& it always feels to me as though capital punishment is a big step in that direction…so I’ve never really been able to see my way clear to “the sentence is death”, if I’m honest?

      …the likes of putin or trump (or orban or bolsonaro or…you may see a pattern developing) may make strong arguments for the case that we’d all be collectively better off if they were put out of our misery…but at the end of the day I can’t help but feel like that’s the moral equivalent of dividing by zero…it wouldn’t have been ok for the mob to hang mike pence on jan 6th…so I don’t know if I can see it being right to hang…say…mitch mcconnell for engineering a situation that averted conviction in the second impeachment…or this eastman fuckwit over his pretextual pablum

      …granted it would make a fuck of a lot more sense…if you’re more comfortable with capital punishment than I am…which ironically a lot of the GOP profess to being…but I don’t think it’s a thing I could sincerely advocate?

      • I’m not advocating death for them or the Trumpers who brainlessly supported them.

        I’m saying that the police and courts need to be ruthless in their approach in terms of bringing them to trial and prosecuting them instead of what most courts do to the rich and powerful which is coddle them. (I’m also not smug as my nation has done the same with their well connected assholes like former NHLPA thief Alan Eagleson which took a US AG to take him down when Canadian courts couldn’t/wouldn’t.)  The French didn’t kill them all.  In fact only one man was executed among the generals and lower rankers who tried to kill DeGaulle.

        Only Jean Bastien-Thiry was executed.

        DeGaulle later made his reasoning clear as to why Bastien-Thiry was executed among the plotters.  Among the reasoning was:

        Asked how he intended to confine the President, Bastien-Thiry replied, “We would just have taken away his spectacles and braces.” His defense lawyer was heard to mutter, “he has just signed his own death warrant,” as it was much anticipated that while de Gaulle might have pardoned an assassin, he would not pardon an assassin who publicly mocked him.

        DeGaulle was quoted as saying “The French need martyrs … They must choose them carefully. I could have given them one of those idiotic generals playing ball in Tulle prison. I gave them Bastien-Thiry. They’ll be able to make a martyr of him. He deserves it.”

         

        • Anyone who has not read a biography of de Gaulle is really missing out. I read one where a whole chapter was devoted to his state visit to Canada to visit the Montréal Expo in 1967, took to the balcony of the Hôtel de Ville/City Hall, and gave that rousing “Vive le Québec libre!” speech. Then, just a few months later, he slapped down Britain’s application to join the Common Market, the precursor to today’s EU. De Gaulle was not afraid to speak his mind. When he was in exile in London during WWII, broadcasting his patriotic speeches into Occupied France, he was such a thorn in the side of Britain’s wartime government that quite a few, probably even Churchill himself, wanted to hand him over to the Nazis.

      • Life w/o parole, in a place like ADX Florence** is my personal preference!

        It’s FAR cheaper than all the costs of years of appeals (court time, lawyers for both sides, etc.), AND unlike executions, it doesn’t grant martyr status & infamy…

        In a place like Supermax?

        Just like Unabomber Kaczynski, Oklahoma City co-conspirator Terry Nichols, Traitor/Spy Robert P. Hanssen, Trade-Center bombing mastermind Ramzi Yousef, & Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph (MOST of whom are largely forgotten about today, might I add!!!), a life without parole sentence would

        1. Be the literal worst sort of psychological torture a malignany narcissist like Trump can be forced to endure (no adulation, no interactions with “fans,” no audience, because he’s left with his own thoughts & own company 23+ hours a day…).

        2. Mean that Trump Et al. Would just fade away to footnotes in history.

        3. Save incredible amounts of taxpayer money, because of the lack of necessary appeals.

        4. Trump & Co. WOULD go away for good, rather than the possibility of a conviction being overturned on one of those death-sentence appeals (the USSC *is* now in an R-majority!)

        5. mean that there are no more interviews, no texts/press releases/etc to rile up the Q/Rightwing/Cult base. We don’t hear from the other terrorists locked up in Florence, Trump’s & his Accomplices’ messages would die in that vacuum, too.

        And lastly, just the “moral high ground” angle. Life w/o parole IS the only “Pro-Life” option for sentences. But it also means that the person IN prison has many, looooooong, boring years, to sit there, and STEW in the knowledge that they were wrong, and they ARE an asshole who had to be culled out of human society for the betterment of EVERYONE in that society.

        It’s the ultimate FU to sociopaths, narcissists, & other assorted asshats (Like Trump!) who think they’re *above the rules* of society, because it wholly removes them, strips ALL of their autonomy *outside that cell,* and it also takes away any delusions of fame & glory, because there are NO MORE unread/unlistened-to correspondences.

        They lose EVERYTHING, and someone else calls ALL of the shots, each day, for the rest of their long, BORING lives.

        A Literal living HELL for a jerk like Trump, who’s always used money or gamesmanship to weasel his way out of consequences😈😈😈

         

        **Ngl, i STILL wanna see that place expanded just like Trumpty-Dumpty’s proclamation “We’re building a beautiful wall — a big one that really works…”, to hold multiple members of the Trump Crime Family!😈😈😈)

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