Flames on the Side of My Head [DOT 25/6/22]

25/6/22 MegMegMcGee 44

I don’t even know what to say.

Supreme Court ruling leaves states free to outlaw abortion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/supreme-court-ruling-abortion-dobbs/

Abortion will soon be banned in 13 states. Here’s which could be next.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/

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I’ll be drunk if anyone needs me.

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44 Comments

    • Missouri had it banned by 9:15 Friday morning, less than an hour after the Supreme Court ruling.

      Pretty sure Gov HeeHaw and our dickbag attorney general were jacking off in their offices in glee over this before stepping out to sign it. Gloated about being the first state to ban it.

       

    • They’re gonna come gunning for Lawrence, Griswold, Obergefell & Windsor.

      To Clarence Thomas’s eternal shock, they’ll also find the same flaws in Loving, that he wants to eviscerate all the other laws for…

      From ^that^ article;

      “Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas suggested Friday in a solo concurring opinion that the court should reexamine other rights protected under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment.

      ‘We should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell,’ Thomas wrote. ‘Because any substantive due process decision is ‘demonstrably erroneous,’ we have a duty to ‘correct the error’ established in those precedents.'”

       

      And Courtney Milan has an EXCELLENT thread, breaking down all the “legalese” of multiple cases, opinions, & actions by the USSC into plain English, and she’s enumerated why *my* previolsly preferred End-Run around these assholes simply won’t work🙁🙃💔

      It’s LONG, but really, REALLY good, and if you’re the sort, I’d suggest bookmarking it, for future references as needed!

      Also, this is a great article, on why we really aren’t going “back to the Bad Old Days,” what were headed into is far. FAR worse;

      https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/07/04/we-are-not-going-back-to-the-time-before-roe-we-are-going-somewhere-worse

      And some of y’all may already know–far too many folks aren’t even THINKING about the horrors which will eventually get known about this whole, gawdawful mess…

      But realistically–in this era of incels, Neonazis wanting “more white babies!” and the fact that certain states have not only outlawed *elective* abortion, but also abortions for the victims of incest & rape?

      We WILL start seeing horrific stories of little girls getting pregnant, and stories about some of them also dying from it.💔

      Between Precocious Puberty, and the ginned-up Trans-panic bullshittery?

      Pediatricians and other providers will fear prescribing puberty-blockers, for fear of being shut down or charged with helping young Trans patients…

      That’s gonna mean girls as young as eight (maybe 7!💔) and who are being preyed upon, will get pregnant and be forced to carry their predators baby–while they are still a baby themselves.

      There are the people in abusive relationships–who used to be able to get out & cut ties to their abuser if they ended up pregnant–who honestly may now end up raped until the point of pregnancy, just so their abuser can exert permanent control over their life.

      And no one i’ve seen is talking about it yet–but Transmen and anyone who is *not* a woman, but who has a uterus, ovaries, & vagina, is/are at incredible risk of being raped for the same sort of reason–predation, power, control, and cruelty-because of not just the trauma of the rape–but also the psychological damage & dysmorphia that an unwanted pregnancy–without the possibility of terminating–would cause.

      People will die from this.

      it’s just a matter of when & how many.

      💔

       

      • I forgot to add…

        If Thomas gets his way–with that quote up above…

        AND knowing Kavanaugh quoted Taney in the Dred Scott case, in his concurrence on the NY gun case?;

        This part, particularly;

        “A short prologue is in order. Even before the Civil War commenced in 1861, this Court indirectly affirmed the im­portance of the right to keep and bear arms in public. Writ­ing for the Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 393 (1857), Chief Justice Taney offered what he thought was a parade of horribles that would result from recognizing that free blacks were citizens of the United States. If blacks were citizens, Taney fretted, they would be entitled to the privileges and immunities of citizens, including the right “to keep and carry arms wherever they went.” Id., at 417 (emphasis added). Thus, even Chief Justice Taney recog­nized (albeit unenthusiastically in the case of blacks) that public carry was a component of the right to keep and bear arms—a right free blacks were often denied in antebellum America”

        We can also start worrying NOW that Brown v. Board–and 👏every👏single👏Ed👏law.👏&👏SPED👏law👏 which got THEIR provenance out of the Brown ruling will fall, y’all!

        Nearly EVERY Special Education law in the US is based out of the rights granted via Brown v. Board.

        Almost all of them!!!

        Folks outside Special ed–amd even plenty of folks in Special Ed don’t grok that.🙃

        TTe ruling yesterday was terrible, just as a standalone…

        But it’s an honest-to-god Eldritch motherfucking HORROR, once you start seeing the heads of this goddamn Hydra💔💔💔 (and YES double-meaning absolutely intended w/Hydra!!!)

         

         

    • Roberts lied too.  There was a whole thing during his confirmation hearings about stare decisis and he said in the hearing that Roe was settled law.  They all fucking lied, but every Senator knew this at the time and didn’t care.

      • I LOATHE Brett-Likes-Beer!😠😡🤬🤬🤬

        But I DO want to point out one extremely important thing, that no one ever seems to get, when they say “They LIED!!!”

        about every justice since Alito (and a few before, tbh!!)

        Since Bork created the tern “Borked” by being honest during his hearings?

        RRside judicial candidates HAVEN’T lied.

        What they HAVE DONE, is sidestep, EVADE, and Obfuscate like motherfuckers…. but since lying under oath IS still perjury, they were exacting, in their footsteps *around* the truth–so that they didn’t outright “lie.”

        And out of kindness respect for The Judiciary, and in MULTIPLE cases–willfully obtuse Senators (Susan motherfucking Collins!!!),  there simply wasn’t ANY pushback, calling out of the evasion, or asking for specific enough CLARIFICATION of the evasion, to force them to ACTUALLY LIE.🙃

        An example;

        And here is *exactly* what he said;

        “As a judge, it is an important precedent of the Supreme Court–by ‘It, i mean Roe v. Wade, and Planned Parenthood vs Casey–that reaffirmed many times, Casey is Precedent on Precedent… which on itself is an important factor to remember.

        And I understand the significance of the issue, the jurisprudential issue and I understand the significance, as best I can, I always try… I do here (or is it *hear*???) of the real-world effects of that decision…as I try to do of all the decisions of my court, and of the Supreme Court”

        He calls Casey “Precedent on Precedent,” and “An important factor to remember.”

        But he NEVER says Casey or Roe are *GOOD* precedent, or that they ought to be upheld as precedent!

        Folks heard what they wanted to hear (especially Collins, Manchin, et. al!)…

        But just like ACB on Brown, Kavanaugh never said ANYTHING contrary to the idea that *IF PRESENTED THE OPPORTUNITY? HE WOULDN’T ABSOLUTELY GUT ROE.*

        He simply spoke in legalese–like the damn lawyer he is, carefully chose each word, and said *not a damn thing*🙃

        There were REASONS I was screaming at my radio, through EACH USSC nominee hearing since Scalito back under GWB….

        And ^THAT^ type of OBFUSCATION & SIDESTEPPING is exactly why!!!

        Because there is hardly ever a GOOD, consequential followup question (that COULD get them on Perjury charges!), that pins these slimy worms to the ground & forces them to not evade via legalese!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

  5. If you can, donate to your local health equity organization. Ours is pledging to help people travel for abortion access. Some states are going to try to restrict travel as @bryanlsplinter mentioned. But the law is unsettled and will be challenged. So also donate to the Repro Legal Defense Fund. Of course, once it gets to SCOTUS they will uphold the states’ unconstitutional right to deny interstate travel for services.

    Here’s a link to a list of doctors state by state who are willing to do sterilization procedures without judgment or excessive hurdles.

     

  6. On Monday I’m going to email Schumer and tell him to resign.  Lead or get out of the fucking way.  Rep’s targeted Reid and Daschle because they got shit done.  They don’t even mention Schumer, because he’s a fucking ineffectual wimp.

    And where are the rest of the Dems on this?  Why isn’t someone right now introducing a bill to guarantee universal prenatal care?  Call them out on their “What about the baybeeeeeez?” bullshit.

    • Too many dems have been chickenshit cowards about this for too long because of trying to appear moderate.

      My congresswoman was one of the speakers at the Planned Parenthood rally I went to last night. I don’t think a lot dem congress members are willing to do that.

  7. Also if you know anyone using a period tracker app and they live in a red state, tell them to delete it and go back to using a notebook or something.

    Even assuming your medical data isn’t sold and your identity couldn’t be determined, the immediate concern is that if you live in a state where abortion is criminalized then your period tracker data could be subject to a subpoena and used against you.

    • …I know there’s a tendency towards fear-mongering when people talk about the things facebook can devine about even non-members thanks to the breadth & depth to which its analytics stuff is woven throughout the online ecosystem…& hopefully that kind of thing suffers from hoovering up a lot of garbage data…but the principles & concepts involved in the whole “shadow profile” idea have always been a much bigger deal than we seem to have been in any position to deal with at a legislative level

      …I absolutely take your point about the specific kind of app…but if I’m honest I fear that the avenues through which malicious lawsuits may travel in search of pretextual (or even accurate) personal data the way things look to be going have the potential to get very ugly indeed?

      • The difference is whether someone is a minority or not. And therefore going to be targeted by law enforcement or not.

        They’ve used metadata on phones to identify BLM protesters. They’re sitting on a treasure trove of potential information with period trackers.

         

        • Yeah, if you use Waze or Google to find the clinic, it will be recorded. And can be subpoenaed. More information here:

          For people seeking abortions, digital privacy is suddenly critical

          Internet searches, visits to clinics and period-tracking apps leave digital trails

          One more scary thought on this subject: If abortion is declared murder, there’s no statute of limitations on murder. So can these fucking red states go back and prosecute people for abortions done when they were teens 30 or 40 years ago? Presuming records or witnesses exist? I doubt you’d find records, but I’ll bet you it’s only a matter of weeks or days before somebody “reports” an abortion from the 70s or 80s. And if the boyfriend/partner participated/paid for it, are they accessories to murder?

      • Honestly Rip?

        With all the ways Palantir has been enmeshed into National Security, the military, the COVID response, and the CDC, the battle over being able to keep that shit private–for most people–is likely already over & lost, well before it EVER started.

        I saw this a while back, and bookmarked it;

        The thread is interesting, annnnd terrifying, because WE all know the terrible that is Thiel🙃

        • …yup…this would be pretty much the kind of ugly I was thinking about (from later in that thread)

  8. This is a privileged problem to have but I’ve been thinking about all those people going through IVF who have frozen embryos. I’m lucky to be living in WA and my batch are still here in this State. I can’t imagine having to give them up for “adoption” because you aren’t allowed to terminate them.

    • I have a strong suspicion that in red states it will mean you can’t not implant them. Like oh you fertilized 5 eggs, and 4 were successful, but 2 look real dodgy and we wouldn’t recommend implanting those… well now you’re getting all 4 and fingers crossed that it turns out okay. If life begins at fertilization, then I bet you can’t even freeze them while looking for someone to adopt.

  9. In other extremely American news, i had a doctor appointment this morning. They called me shortly after i left the house to cancel it because there was an *active shooter in the immediate vicinity who was still on the loose.* Last I checked, he killed one person. No motive yet.

      • Apparently he was an employee (of the place he shot up) and it was an attempted robbery. The article did make sure to mention the shooter is FROM CHICAGO so I’m sure the usual suspects will apply that information appropriately.

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